tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post2690321504376044594..comments2023-12-20T04:18:41.617-06:00Comments on The Hunting of the Snark: Choice And ConsentSusan of Texashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-63329061657604601842012-04-21T14:45:29.564-05:002012-04-21T14:45:29.564-05:00Seriously? It's the right who opposes a strong...Seriously? It's the right who opposes a strong safety net for low income women? Just recently the state of Texas decided to give their funds to qualifying, non abortive aids and guess what the Obama Administartion, the Democratic party did? They refused to give money to Texas unless they gave to abortion mills! The left is the one who doesn't want to help women! They just want to tell women that abortion is the easy way out and then where are these mills when women realize what they did and suffer emotionally for it? And the reason the pro life movement is not aggressiively for birth control is because many contraceptives are abortive. And really, "forcer brothers"? What's next, people don't want to suddenly take care of their newborns, the same baby that was just days before considered not a human, so they neglect it and have people such as yourself calling the government "forcer brothers" for prosecuting? So now we just shouldn't have laws that make us tend to our responsibilities? Is that the American dream? To lavish ourselves in irresponsibility? The pro life movement is not telling women they must have a baby because they are not saying you must have sex. Pregnancy is a result of the freedom that the left has given us to freely have sex. If you don't want a baby, don't have sex. Simple as that. It really is not a hard concept to grasp, but for some who lack self control, or impulse control, it is. If you're going to take contraceptives know that they DO fail. At least if you're willing to take that chance, take responsibility for your actions!lovewaitshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147025777383867327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-51601541287597045902012-02-19T11:01:26.662-06:002012-02-19T11:01:26.662-06:00Many women are told, after have a blood test, the ...Many women are told, after have a blood test, the the fetus <i>may</i> have Down's. I was, my sister was, a couple of friends got the horrible new by phone. <br /><br />And every time the blood test was wrong. <br /><br />But if one waits for the amniocentesis test to confirm, you'll end up past the 3-month mark.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03176801494652946278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-7182414733179386052012-02-19T07:15:37.774-06:002012-02-19T07:15:37.774-06:00Exactly, Zuzu. I know someone who got a second-tri...Exactly, Zuzu. I know someone who got a second-trimester abortion, in part because she had not one but TWO false negative pregnancy tests, and, by the time it was finally confirmed, she was past the 12-week point and had to find a place to have it done. She didn't face as many of the other barriers as some people face (e.g., she could afford it, and she lived in a city where the service was available), but still. She didn't wait until the second trimester because she was busy buying shoes.Naryahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05369280617520806983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-10170381368120668952012-02-18T21:34:10.355-06:002012-02-18T21:34:10.355-06:00There is also the fact that in the early months of...There is also the fact that in the early months of a pregnancy the fetus doesn't look like much. The woman isn't going to see a chubby little cherub when she looks at the ultrasound, and change her mind.<br /><br />The vaginal ultrasound is just to torment the woman, not make her "realize what she's doing".Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03176801494652946278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-79838441712133102122012-02-18T21:18:05.772-06:002012-02-18T21:18:05.772-06:00Here's my bumpersticker:
HEY WINGNUTS - FUCK ...Here's my bumpersticker:<br /><br />HEY WINGNUTS - FUCK OFF<br /><br />Available soon via Cafepress.com...dave™©https://www.blogger.com/profile/15303249276504183167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-6692336091168365782012-02-18T18:09:10.101-06:002012-02-18T18:09:10.101-06:00McArdle complains a lot about conservatives being ...<em>McArdle complains a lot about conservatives being kept out of academia and I think that she wants the best of all worlds--to be respected by both liberals and conservatives,</em><br /><br /><br />She is respected as a serious thinker by Yglesias, Ezra Klein and others. Basically the youngins that want to be the next Broder.Phil Perspectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540815981930702517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-75791042227834996472012-02-18T14:24:39.944-06:002012-02-18T14:24:39.944-06:00Botacchio, that's a good point about the body ...Botacchio, that's a good point about the body scans. We constantly hear about how intrusive the government is, yet the right thinks it's fine to physically invade women's bodies.<br /><br />McArdle complains a lot about conservatives being kept out of academia and I think that she wants the best of all worlds--to be respected by both liberals and conservatives, to be part of the mass media, to be above everything and everyone. Yet she also wants to be lazy and ideological. <br /><br />The sad part is that she'll never be happy; she'll never be smart enough to be an intellectual, respected for her hard work and fairness in journalism, or high enough socially. Always striving, never reaching her goal, always dissatisfied.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-52248580225059842332012-02-18T14:04:21.675-06:002012-02-18T14:04:21.675-06:00The horrible Englin line, just as with Foster Frie...The horrible Englin line, just as with Foster Friess' aspirin bullshit, really captures their misogynist world view: wimmin who have sex without their permission are sluts, and a slut is a woman you can't take home to mother, and you can do with those women whatever you like. They have it coming. They "consented" to their own abuse when they dared to disobey conservative social dogma (which the law should reinforce). <br /><br />As to McMegan herself – the layers of her self-deception are many. She's a fairly conventional dumb, lazy aristocrat, but plays at being an intellectual, and desperately wants to be viewed as one. She flees to glibertarianism to give her unfailingly class-privileging positions some cover. However, she also seems desperate to believe that, rather than being astonishingly cloistered, she is a woman of the people. She wants to convince <i>us</i> of this, of course, but I think she really does want to believe it herself. Thus, black DC residents reach out to her on the bus to talk about how blacks ruined the city, and she knows first, err, second-hand, about scary women's health clinic experiences... just as she knew all too well the "horrors of war" after 9/11, leading to her sneering blood rage about smacking war protesters with the 2 x 4 beam jutting out of her own eye. <br /><br />Meanwhile, if McMegan had the strength of her convictions, she would be a proud and unapologetic conservative. (I've suggested for years that she's really anti-choice, based on her exchanges with Hilzoy.) But she wants to be liked, by some people at least (the guys at <i>Reason</i>), and she wants to be admired by all for her thoughtful and insightful intellectualism. In terms of fitting someone in a good profession for their strengths, she really is a stunningly awful failure (akin to George W. Bush). Granted, she's paid to write propaganda, but if she was yet another wingnut welfare recipient at a conservative think tank, I think she'd have less exposure and get skewered less often. Plus, I think (perhaps unfortunately) critics would be less incensed – the fact that she's pretending to be a journalist and editor at the storied <i>Atlantic</i> really does up the stakes, stoke the fire, etc. <br /><br />Perhaps it goes without saying, but I'm always struck by McMegan's double standards. Expecting Goldman Sachs to be honest with its customers or open its books to the government is tyranny, but mandating that women be forced to see an ultrasound and be penetrated by a painful probe is a good thing. (<a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated_for_no_medical_reason.html" rel="nofollow">Dahlia Lithwick</a> and others have made the obvious rape comparisons.) Why, it's almost as if McMegan has no objective principles and just argues for her own privilege and preferences. (Also: how many of the male conservatives pushing this crap have vocally opposed TSA full-body scans and groping? I'm curious.)Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-8550491247795036932012-02-18T11:20:41.921-06:002012-02-18T11:20:41.921-06:00Some women do get 5-month abortions because they m...Some women do get 5-month abortions because they missed the window for the first-trimester abortion -- most likely due to a combination of not confirming they were pregnant until half that time had passed, then having to scrape together the money, the transportation, the child care and the time off work to travel to the one clinic in their state, where they would be told to come back in some period of time mandated by the state. <br /><br />If they miss the window for a lower-cost, available-in-every-state-albeit-barely-these-days first-trimester abortion, then they have to scrape together *more* money, and *more* time and *more* child care, and travel to one of the states, such as New York, that allow second-trimester abortions.<br /><br />But, no, as you said, no one just wakes up after five months and walks into an abortion clinic because it's on their to-do list between shopping and pedicures.zuzunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-67295525906493935962012-02-18T01:55:51.489-06:002012-02-18T01:55:51.489-06:00I'm so tired of forced birthers using the &quo...I'm so tired of forced birthers using the "5-month" fetus argument, as if those women were just pursuing their "lifestyle" and shopping for shoes before finally getting around to that abortion. Nobody, and I mean nobody, waits five months to have an abortion. People get 5-month abortions because of serious health problems in the mother, or baby, or both. These are wanted pregnancies gone wrong. Of course, all the waiting periods and roadblocks do make women wait until later in the pregnancy than they otherwise would, so if one has qualms over aborting a 12-week fetus over a 5-week fetus, and McMegan seems to imply, then waiting periods and roadblocks are counter-productive.Gretchennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-80829535933157796192012-02-17T19:22:40.219-06:002012-02-17T19:22:40.219-06:00I don't see how this forced ultrasound thing c...I don't see how this forced ultrasound thing can be advanced with a straight face. If abortion is legal, it's legal, and that's the extent of the law's concern. If it's not, it's not, period. If there are gray areas, then those are to be parsed by experts, legislators, and court cases.<br /><br />This "it's legal, but it's not nice, so we want to you have to think twice about it" is inherently infantilizing. It arms the state, not with handcuffs or a gun--which law enforcement is sanctioned to use when a law is being broken--but with an attempt at moral handcuffs and moral strong-arming. <br /><br />That anyone who once called herself Jane Galt should accede to this is laughable--which is to say, laughable, but not funny. Such a "libertarian" is just as Susan describes: a child who, having been given privileges by Daddy, thinks she's an adult, and swans around proclaiming as much--except when Daddy puts his moral foot down. Then she's on his side. She has to be. He's Daddy. He provides access to all the treats and neat stuff.<br /><br />When my kids were little, on the rare occasion when I had to rebuke one, the other would say, satirically, "I'M good, Daddy." It was funny. But they were children. What's Megan's excuse?Mr.Wonderfulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-34702579231372444662012-02-17T17:38:29.423-06:002012-02-17T17:38:29.423-06:00Nice post. The assault on women's reproductive...Nice post. The assault on women's reproductive rights is always enabled by the Democratic Party. Obama's, and his Party's, shameful capitulation in ACA, by including The Stupak(D) Amendment--never allowing tax dollars to fund Abortions(keeping Hyde Amendment alive). Dems and Reps are bipartisan in that regard. The mainstream Democratic party is like Megan McArdle--"they're pro choice, but..god forbid any tax dollars go for those irresponsible women who need abortions". They can vote funds for wars, drone strike assassinations, etc, but Abortions, too far. <br /><br />Of course the Republicans, after having the Hyde Act enshrined in ACA thanks to Stupak(D,) are just pushing for more "success",in many states they've been very successful. Democrats have been a disgrace on this issue too. Particularly spineless except for outrage over comments made by a major donor for Santorum, and protesting the make up a House Hearing on Birth Control--they talk the talk in front of TV cameras---in back rooms they walk away from defending women's reproductive rights by capitulating to "blue-dogs" in the "spirit of compromise". In this issue, a woman having sole rights over choices concerning her health and reproductive rights, there should be no compromise.<br /><br />(Pardon the rant, this shit is as upsetting as the warmongering---Dems are awful there to--authoritarians love war, assassinations, the death penalty but GOD FORBID women have rights to their bodies, including, gasp!, their reproductive system!)<br /><br />BTW Societies with better access to birth control services, even abortion, have lower abortion rates, lower infant mortality, lower death rates of pregnant women---but why let allowing the best outcome for everyone concerned(women, children) influence the debate? "Men are talking".Anatole Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475202797984385346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-80102709197534158952012-02-17T14:12:05.316-06:002012-02-17T14:12:05.316-06:00tommy, i like no choicers better than forced birth...tommy, i like no choicers better than forced birthers. just personal preference.<br /><br />i saw an "Atlas shrugged, Jesus didn't" bumpersticker the other day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-21409127852457706422012-02-17T14:11:02.381-06:002012-02-17T14:11:02.381-06:00http://www.theonion.com/video/new-law-requires-wom...http://www.theonion.com/video/new-law-requires-women-to-name-baby-paint-nursery,14393/<br /><br />This would be a perfectly legitimate exercise of government power in the view of noted libertarian McMegan.Jim Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876037300326941092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-64946137438513016122012-02-17T13:09:47.661-06:002012-02-17T13:09:47.661-06:00Virginia Democrat Del. David Englin, who opposes t...<i>Virginia Democrat Del. David Englin, who opposes the bill, has said Gilbert's statement "is in line with previous Republican comments on the issue," recalling one conversation with a GOP lawmaker who told him that women had already made the decision to be "vaginally penetrated when they got pregnant." (I confirmed with Englin that this quote was accurate.)<br /></i><br /><br />Oooh... can I play? Can I play?<br /><br />"If you have ever had your temperature taken, you have already agreed to let anyone shove their dick into your mouth!"<br /><br />"if you have ever had a vaccination , you have agreed to be stabbed with a knife"<br /><br />See how easy that is?cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438583188725326668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-30355947665093856432012-02-17T12:45:51.493-06:002012-02-17T12:45:51.493-06:00Where are the Republicans who are trying to get ri...<em>Where are the Republicans who are trying to get rid of...STD treatments?</em><br /><br />But that would be detrimental to the health of Republican men!Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-30722479113595007382012-02-17T12:42:36.565-06:002012-02-17T12:42:36.565-06:00Where are the Republicans who are trying to get ri...Where are the Republicans who are trying to get rid of condoms and STD treatments? Why do our insurance companies pay for venereal disease treatments?Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-20111427914032572192012-02-17T12:10:31.143-06:002012-02-17T12:10:31.143-06:00My other bumper sticker slogan:
A Woman's Ute...My other bumper sticker slogan:<br /><br />A Woman's Uterus Is Not A Public Domain.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-48350205760672657352012-02-17T12:06:54.025-06:002012-02-17T12:06:54.025-06:00I came up with a pithy bumper sticker slogan:
Abo...I came up with a pithy bumper sticker slogan:<br /><br />Abortion is not a problem that needs to be solved.<br /><br />And I refuse to call anti-choice activists "pro-life". They're forcer birthers. A real pro-life agenda would support contraception access, would support a strong social safety net to help low income women who choose to carry a pregnancy to term. A real pro-life agenda would support policy initiatives to improve the lives of children and their parents.<br /><br />What I see from the forced birthers generally falls under "Fuck you, you made your bed, now lie in it."Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.com