tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post3036732231471424900..comments2023-12-20T04:18:41.617-06:00Comments on The Hunting of the Snark: On Being WrongSusan of Texashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-33770189304465480802009-08-26T18:18:09.881-05:002009-08-26T18:18:09.881-05:00I think that if my girlfriend supported the war in...I think that if my girlfriend supported the war in Iraq I'd need a new girlfriend though.Dr Zenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447633362204112316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-45809909715451390742009-08-25T13:35:32.200-05:002009-08-25T13:35:32.200-05:00Heh--maybe the far right was correct and shaming i...Heh--maybe the far right was correct and shaming <i>is</i> the only way to change people.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-71620650412356299422009-08-25T11:34:57.914-05:002009-08-25T11:34:57.914-05:00They will admit they were wrong, will admit that t...<i>They will admit they were wrong, will admit that they failed...</i><br /><br />I'm still waiting for this from most war hawks, and the entire conservative movement. <br /><br />McArdle was both dumb and mean in the run up to the war. She has no credibility complaining about anyone else's civility. She <i>was</i> an immoral moron, but also a nasty one. I don't expect her to apologize using those terms, but others would serve. Actually, I don't expect her to apologize at all, because she lacks the intellectual or personal integrity to do so, let alone the basic human decency. It's interesting to read her critics in those threads, though, as well as her suck-up defenders. <br /><br />Susan, you're right about the cocktail circuit. The Villagers determine truth socially, not empirically, and being called out on TV or at a party hits them where it really hurts.Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-59725365820669767362009-08-25T11:02:06.409-05:002009-08-25T11:02:06.409-05:00I suspect that nothing short of being confronted o...I suspect that nothing short of being confronted on tv will change any of these people. That seems to be the only thing they fear. There are discussions about how to "handle" Colbert and Stewert, which is nuts. The right goes on these shows for the exposure and hip factor, but then they have to figure out how to wiggle out from under their lies and stupidity. <br /><br />McArdle's critics have no effect for the obvious reasons--she's not paid to tell the truth, and she doesn't care if she's wrong, she just cares if she's accepted socially, like the rest of the Village. Aimai's one post on Joe Klein will have far more effect on the national dialogue than my hundreds of my posts because she hit him where he lives--the cocktail circuit.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-90119995096218712272009-08-24T20:08:58.538-05:002009-08-24T20:08:58.538-05:00And when she elderly and has been dumped from her ...And when she elderly and has been dumped from her health plan, and Medicare will have been eviscerated long ago, she will scream:<br /><br />"Don't you see?<br />It isn't fair, it isn't right!"<br /><br />(Shirley Jackson)Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03176801494652946278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-76022522977801203432009-08-24T18:42:54.296-05:002009-08-24T18:42:54.296-05:00That MM quote is old, and I haven't recently (...That MM quote is old, and I haven't recently (or at all, maybe) read the entire original, but: if it's representative of her argument, it looks like she in no way takes note of the fact that THE OLDER YOU GET, THE MORE PRONE YOU ARE TO GET SICK OR INJURED.<br /><br />Regardless of whether or not you lived irresponsibly. THE YOUNGER YOU ARE, THE HEALTHIER YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE.<br /><br />Her argument against funding health care, then, is ENTIRELY based on who has what wealth, and who is morally deserving of being cared for. <br /><br />This is the "libertarian" view. To Megan, the social contract is an option. She'll honor it only insofar as it's congenial and suits her "needs." And she thinks everyone should feel this way. From this, she imagines, an ideal (or at least improved) society will arise.<br /><br />The blinkers required to view the world that way must cost a fortune. They must be custom-fitted, like first-rate hearing aids.<br /><br />Oh, and her comment that left has been left out of the discussion: that comes from outer space. She's makin' it up. Period.Mr. Wonderfulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-38466048787172486742009-08-24T15:04:54.654-05:002009-08-24T15:04:54.654-05:00It's highly ironic for a Righty to excuse him-...It's highly ironic for a Righty to excuse him-or-herself of attending to the arguments put forth by her opponents in a dispute because said opponent WAS RUDE!<br /><br />For Admirers and eager Followers of the Party of (FU on the Senate floor) Cheney, Rush, O'Riley, Beck, J. Klien, Krauthammer, and so on, to complain about "rudeness" - well hypocritical simply doesn't describe their philosophy.<br /><br />Seeing as TV programming consists of Lying commercials sponsoring idiotic and lie-filled entertainment, I suppose its not surprising that the actors on "Information" shows should think its CORRECT to lie their teeny tiny pointed heads off.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03176801494652946278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-25686431730397767282009-08-24T14:09:18.246-05:002009-08-24T14:09:18.246-05:00Old people eh? Stupid old codgers.
My Grandad eng...Old people eh? Stupid old codgers.<br /><br />My Grandad engaged in reckless sports such as guarding a river from German U-Boats with a kitchen knife attached to a broom handle. Any responsible teenager should've stayed at home, only there was a not so slight problem of your home being hit by a bomb. (My other Grandfather is younger than him was sent away from home to the countryside to escape all of this.)<br /><br />Of course at the time he was too young to join the army so he joined 'Dad's Army' where other reckless pensioners and pubescent boys could engage in at least some form of eXtreme sports.<br /><br />Luckily for him he came of age just in time for a holiday in Normandy where most of his friends were killed. (Rumour has it that the reckless on return from their sporting holiday took to drinking too much for some reason.)<br /><br />Yet somehow, all of this reckless behaviour persuaded society that he should be rewarded with universal health care. <br /><br />In the propertarian world, I suppose you could argue that a lot of the old people in the USA should've been dead by now, but the state interfered with their Freedom(tm) to die by enacting regulation on dangerous occupations. Therefore, old people deserve to die a horrific death now because they meekly surrendered their Freedom(tm).<br /><br />Really, Susan, I hope you're not encouraging us future old people to misbehave, we should accept that the Randian Supermen were right all along and do what we're told.Euripidesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-2294368621940530702009-08-24T13:40:19.751-05:002009-08-24T13:40:19.751-05:00Do you behave when you are wrong in the way that y...<i>Do you behave when you are wrong in the way that you are demanding I do? Would you apologize to a girlfriend who has said the sort of things to you that the commenters on other threads have said to me?</i><br /><br />It is totally like a girlfriend argument when one person advocates killing people on the basis of lies and the other does not.Substance McGravitashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04118764163822188800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-45881209822033643242009-08-24T13:38:47.560-05:002009-08-24T13:38:47.560-05:00Similarly, all those soldiers and Iraqis who are d...Similarly, all those soldiers and Iraqis who are dead and maimed are not "sullied on TV."<br /><br />But if we call to account the journalists who were supposed to be informing the public -- a public that came to believe overwhelmingly that Saddam was behind 9/11 -- they would get "sullied on TV."<br /><br />How can a nation govern itself if the press doesn't take its job seriously? <br /><br />From the past decade, it seems that we can't govern responsibly. McArdle being allowed to babble is fine, but given a "legit" platform is a symptom of this problem. <br /><br />Thanks to this blog, there's at least a little pushback against her narcissism passing for analysis.rifflehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09166475012791861563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-75679682644592042752009-08-24T13:07:40.440-05:002009-08-24T13:07:40.440-05:00Welp...I guess that's the end of Jeremy Scahil...Welp...I guess that's the end of Jeremy Scahill's teevee career. And I'm starting a pool: who will be the first to invite Chuck Todd back on the air to drop pearls of wisdom on us... "Meet the Press", "This Week", or NPR? <br /><br />And Megan... Hooo Whee...where to start? Megan sez: "Moreover, as a class, the old and sick have some culpability in their ill health. They didn't eat right or exercise; they smoked; they didn't go to the doctor as often as they ought; they drank too much or took drugs, or sped or engaged in dangerous sports." Meggie needs to watch her step...she's coming dangerously close to making the case for those "Death Panels".satchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-13597930774705535752009-08-24T13:04:31.746-05:002009-08-24T13:04:31.746-05:00Single payer advocates are looking for the most po...<i>Single payer advocates are looking for the most politically palatable way to tax the young and healthy in order to pay for the health care of the old and sick*.</i><br /><br />Has Megan ever heard of Medicare? At least under single payer the young and healthy would get something out of the system.<br /><br />Also, in all of her economic training (she has like 3 PhD's in the subject, right?) did she ever come across the idea that not all transactions are zero-sum? It is NOT "trivially obvious to state that any change that benefits the young and healthy will disadvantage the old and sick."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17718339134378532181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-88784671653411764602009-08-24T12:04:37.598-05:002009-08-24T12:04:37.598-05:00"Programme." Ah, the precious days when..."Programme." Ah, the precious days when Megan wrote in British. Those were funny. I kind of miss it.<br /><br />"...drank to much." Ugh.<br /><br />Her reasoning in dismissing the entire anti-war crowd on the grounds that a few of them acted like jerks is pretty special. Nobody needs to be reminded of her 2 x 4 remark, but considering her non-apology when she finally addressed it a while back, framing it in the context of being emotionally upset following 9/11, makes her a complete hypocrite. Again.clever pseudonymnoreply@blogger.com