tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post6263531682161380043..comments2023-12-20T04:18:41.617-06:00Comments on The Hunting of the Snark: Racist Is As Racist DoesSusan of Texashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-24888718795103716262012-04-10T13:11:26.412-05:002012-04-10T13:11:26.412-05:00I love how this hideous rant is kicked off with th...I love how this hideous rant is kicked off with this idiot's misreading of a Discovery article: "American blacks are descended from West African populations[...]"<br /><br />Why is it that racists always assume that all American blacks are descended from slaves?atatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-64663475293406349852012-04-10T13:08:27.155-05:002012-04-10T13:08:27.155-05:00Derb has been scum of the earth since he went afte...Derb has been scum of the earth since he went after Chelsea Clinton. NRO which had no issues with that is *now* concerned he has stepped over the line?<br /><br />Really?cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438583188725326668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-52455166409215622542012-04-10T12:20:03.831-05:002012-04-10T12:20:03.831-05:00My favourite bit of Lowry:
Derb has long danced ar...My favourite bit of Lowry:<br /><i>Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation.</i><br /><br />IOW, we're not shitcanning Derbs because he's racist, he's always been racist. We're "parting ways" with him because he's now too <b>obviously</b> racist.Dragon-King Wangchuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661002686346571531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-69549536320563696602012-04-09T17:50:39.581-05:002012-04-09T17:50:39.581-05:00... all these Bill Buckley wannabees convinced if ...... all these Bill Buckley wannabees convinced if they use big words from their thesaurus their gleaming intelligence and glittering wit will silence all those slovenly liberals forever.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03176801494652946278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-68990180229672907992012-04-09T15:03:51.671-05:002012-04-09T15:03:51.671-05:00Susan, being an agent of the US government and usi...Susan, being an agent of the US government and using force against Derbyshire to prevent him from having his say, is clearly infringing on the 4th amendment. <br /><br />The free market has nothing to do with Derbs being silenced by Lowery. <br /><br />If you don't criticize all bad things equally, then you are a HYPOCRITE!fishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01522672049371678717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-24678319562533833442012-04-09T12:30:17.266-05:002012-04-09T12:30:17.266-05:00Late to the party but there's always something...Late to the party but there's always something sad and comical to a Cartman type going on and on on how you're an Authoritarian and then screaming at the top of his lungs "Respect My Authoritah!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-47373564845684208302012-04-09T12:12:01.952-05:002012-04-09T12:12:01.952-05:00derb is no longer a conservative. see: number of...derb is no longer a conservative. see: number of righty pundits noting how derb was pro choice, against keeping schaivo on life support, etc. he was some sort of evil librul plant the whole time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-28297621837421741632012-04-09T08:56:56.771-05:002012-04-09T08:56:56.771-05:00http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/0...http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/a-quick-word-on-john-derbyshire/255576/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-55987606071067196812012-04-09T07:09:44.708-05:002012-04-09T07:09:44.708-05:00It's bad faith anyway. These "conservativ...It's bad faith anyway. These "conservatives" have never read Derbyshire and jump up to talk about his "right to free speech" (which clearly misunderstands the first amendment). <br />The sad truth is he's been doing this race dance forever, and it's only an NR archives away.<br />Also fun is his post on finding a wife in China from way back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-5464547152079103152012-04-08T23:07:33.976-05:002012-04-08T23:07:33.976-05:00Also, Susan, why don't you post more pictures ...Also, Susan, why don't you post more pictures of puppies, and LOLcats? <br /><br />After all, isn't there more substance to a good LOLcat than the arguments of Douthat, Derbyshire, and McArdle? Your rank favoritism is showing! <br /><br />I think the silliness of the attacks on you have been thoroughly dissected at this point, but I've seen this line of attack so damn often (Fluke, Limbaugh, Maher, etc.) I think I'll have to post something just for cathartic reasons, even though the subject has been well covered... Sigh. The idiocy and bad faith of conservative hacks and centrism fetishists are like a dark muse.Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-69435674440763231862012-04-08T22:18:38.582-05:002012-04-08T22:18:38.582-05:00My point, my good Mr Wonderful, is that - like it ...<i>My point, my good Mr Wonderful, is that - like it or not - in this country we all have the right to free speech under the first amendment of the Constitution (with certain exceptions such as yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire) ...whether this speech meets with your approval or not. Are we clear on this?</i><br /><br />Golf clap, Mister Nonny!<br /><br />Now could you tell me why Concerned Conservative Citizens such as yourself are so protective of the "right" of racist windbags to scream "Ni-CLANG" in a crowded Klan meeting without being criticized by decent people, but we never hear jack from you clowns on actual civil liberties abuses by our government?<br /><br />Here's <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/04/08/u_s_filmmaker_repeatedly_detained_at_border/singleton/" rel="nofollow">an example</a>.<br /><br /><i>But Poitras’ work has been hampered, and continues to be hampered, by the constant harassment, invasive searches, and intimidation tactics to which she is routinely subjected whenever she re-enters her own country. Since the 2006 release of “My Country, My Country,” Poitras has left and re-entered the U.S. roughly 40 times. Virtually every time during that six-year-period that she has returned to the U.S., her plane has been met by DHS agents who stand at the airplane door or tarmac and inspect the passports of every de-planing passenger until they find her (on the handful of occasions where they did not meet her at the plane, agents were called when she arrived at immigration). Each time, they detain her, and then interrogate her at length about where she went and with whom she met or spoke.</i><br />~ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©https://www.blogger.com/profile/06252371815131259831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-28672743589565389962012-04-08T21:45:46.892-05:002012-04-08T21:45:46.892-05:00You were defending his right to say what he wanted...<i>You were defending his right to say what he wanted in stout defiance of the fact that no one was attacking it. Please accept my most elegantly-phrased apology.<br /></i><br /><br />I would also like to extend my congratulations to Mr. Nonny Mouse in his hard-fought victory in the Battle of Straw.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-19273506309092392262012-04-08T19:26:47.247-05:002012-04-08T19:26:47.247-05:00I just want to note for the record that Susan bein...I just want to note for the record that Susan being called an authoritarian is the funniest fucking thing I've ever read.Benhttp://noompa.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-14873630573282279382012-04-08T13:37:17.768-05:002012-04-08T13:37:17.768-05:00My Good Anonymous: May I join you in indulging in...My Good Anonymous: May I join you in indulging in an ostentatiously breezy--let no one say "supercilious"--style? Splendid. I note with an amusement similar to that which you affect that you failed to address a point I advanced, viz., that Derbyshire maligned an entire race, while Maher maligned a specific individual, and that suggests a mitigation against regarding their two utterances as being comparable.<br /><br />Your postings, however admirably suave and refined in the superb elegance of their polemical natural goodness, exhibit a woeful (and, may one wonder, deliberate?) confusion between the left's condemnation of what Derbyshire said, and his right to say it; between Derbyshire's blatantly racist "Talk" about all blacks, and Maher's insulting epithet applied to a single person; and between what various specific writers say, and "liberals"--who, you say, "as a group, have zero credibility."<br /><br />But then, your own mockery founders on the mis-use of a single word. What does it mean when you say that the meaning of the left's response to Derbyshire is "that free speech must be quashed"? No one is calling for such an enquashment. No one (at least no one under discussion here) has claimed that a racist's right to free speech should be eliminated. <br /><br />Calling for Derbyshire to be fired from a publication which routinely rejects criticisms of its own covert (or overt) racism has less to do with Derbyshire than with the National Review. Indeed, no one is saying the NR hasn't the right to publish the writings of such a person. No one is calling for the quashing of anything--at least, assuming "quash" means "suppress completely," which it does. <br /><br />The left isn't saying Derbyshire's essay should be suppressed. They're saying its sentiments and ideas are repellent.<br /><br />You are right about one thing, dear Anonymous: you did indeed say "they're both ugly," and in that sense I was mistaken in saying you defended Derbyshire's racism. You were defending his right to say what he wanted in stout defiance of the fact that no one was attacking it. Please accept my most elegantly-phrased apology.<br /><br />As for the rest--"the liberal left...is near-totalitarian," "...calling the right authoritarian is nothing more than simple projection," etc.--that, Anonymous, is hyperbole unworthy of you, unless of course it is worthy of you. <br /><br />Nabokov (in the voice of Humbert Humbert) said, "You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style." We might add: you can also so count on a conservative--or, rather, a Republican--troll.Mr.Wonderfulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-69846065160632741352012-04-08T13:27:12.676-05:002012-04-08T13:27:12.676-05:00Poverty and hopelessness make people violent. Viol...Poverty and hopelessness make people violent. Violence has always been endemic to American society--especially at the lower end of the SES scale. Violence has always been a feature of White poverty, especially Southern White poverty and there is nothing about Modern Urban Violence (whether white or black or hispanic) that is at all distinctive, culturally, from violence in all white ethnic enclaves. African Americans in Oak Bluffs never mug anyone, and plenty of poor whites in Applachia or anywhere else have abused the Welfare system and had kids out of wedlock. Its class, class, class and relationship to the mean's of production and to the State's Monopoly on force.<br /><br />Everywhere the State has abdicated in preference to letting local people settle their own disputes (whether in the South post Reconstruction or in the North in Urban Ghettos) violence and self policing become the norm. If you are going to leave people prey to their worst elements--again whether Southern Planters or Gangbangers--you can't turn around and argue that there is some essentialist, racial reason why the poor are preyed upon by the powerful. People get fucked over by the armed vigilantes in their towns. Its not surprising.<br /><br />aimaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-49185224580982168652012-04-08T13:12:04.015-05:002012-04-08T13:12:04.015-05:00Dear Anon:
The constitutional right of free speec...Dear Anon:<br /><br />The constitutional right of free speech does not include the right not to be criticized by others, like our hostess on this blog, who also has her right of free speech.<br /><br />I will never understand this right-wing notion that vigorous disagreement with their point of view is somehow an abridgement of their right to free speech, and thus an example of liberal intolerance.<br /><br />It's true that National Review has since severed its relationship with Mr. Derbyshire, but not because of liberal pressure, although a few commentators called for it.Most of us felt that the National Review has its own history of racist attitudes toward African-Americans that stretches into the present, which isn't going to be changed by firing Derbyshire. <br /><br />In fact, NR showed its own contempt for the black community, and more specifically, middle-class blacks, especially black journalists, who were bothered by the death of Trayvon Martin journalists. <br /><br />First it was Jonah Goldberg, wondering if Charles Blow, columnist for the NYTimes, ever comes in contact with "underclass" youth, and whether or not he cares about the black kids who get killed by other black kids, the implication being that both black leaders and the communities they lead don't pay attention to the problem of "black on black" violence. <br /><br />This became a theme on right-wing blogs, and Rich Lowry, who finds himself so horrified by Derbyshire's open racism, wrote a post on The Corner, picking up where Goldberg left off by offering more specific examples of dead black kids killed by other black kids, based, apparently, on a five minute Google search.What Lowry didn't mention was that those other black kids were all duly arrested and tried in a court of law for their crimes. <br /><br />Then Juan Williams, who can always be counted on to not get the point, despite being African-American himself, made the whole thing explicit by wondering where the concern, the marches, the protests, etc., were for these dead black kids.<br /><br />What these various comments showed most clearly is that much of the racism that constantly bleeds into the commentaries at the National Review and so many other right-wing sources arise from their utter and complete lack of knowledge about African-Americans.<br /><br />Hence the irony of Anon's Jesse Jackson quote. I assume that Anon left it as proof that even Jesse Jackson admits that black folks are violent. In fact what the quote shows, along with piles of other evidence, is that African-Americans are well aware of the violence in too many of the de facto segregated neighborhoods; they acknowledge it, worry about it, and yes, they have marches and protests, constantly commemorate the memory of children lost and wasted lives, and try to do as much as they can to ameliorate the causes with minimal help from the the government or the rest of America.<br /><br />Ta-Nehisi Coates <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/" rel="nofollow">has a superb answer to Juan Williams and all the others, including Anon.</a>Leah Ahttp://www.correntewire.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-90026774076465506452012-04-08T12:45:04.995-05:002012-04-08T12:45:04.995-05:00Lurking Canadian, I'll bet you my copy of Atla...Lurking Canadian, I'll bet you my copy of <i>Atlas Shrugged</i> that Megan's book never sees the light of day. She's just too damn lazy to produce anything but dashed-off blog posts and tweets.blivetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-37666439279861265612012-04-08T10:05:08.892-05:002012-04-08T10:05:08.892-05:00"...no doubt Derbyshire immediately and retro..."...no doubt Derbyshire immediately and retroactively will no longer be considered a conservative."<br /><br />Aaaaand, right on cue: Over at HalfBreit's bunker (no link) Dana Loesch has already said that Derbyshire's screed "would have been more at home on Media Matters."cavorting with nudistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16541918270195305458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-29383363326637827682012-04-07T23:33:25.262-05:002012-04-07T23:33:25.262-05:00Ha.Ha.Substance McGravitashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04118764163822188800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-25449187632796503222012-04-07T19:59:19.404-05:002012-04-07T19:59:19.404-05:00If only Slate would fire Weigel, they'd hire M...If only Slate would fire Weigel, they'd hire Mickey Kaus again.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17803231988989969133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-2688943510511409032012-04-07T19:52:34.860-05:002012-04-07T19:52:34.860-05:00Somebody should phone Suderman and tell him Megan&...Somebody should phone Suderman and tell him Megan's posting as Anonymous again, instead of working on her book.Lurking Canadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-30301203263915601662012-04-07T19:36:05.006-05:002012-04-07T19:36:05.006-05:00Feck, I have only just become used to being a Libe...Feck, I have only just become used to being a Liberal fascist, now I have to change. THANKYOU MR. OBAMA!!!<br />How long before dementedshire gets the call from Big Breitbart?Hamish Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18079552635307235197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-25154147822355718342012-04-07T19:09:43.623-05:002012-04-07T19:09:43.623-05:00Obviously infringing on his constitutional right t...Obviously infringing on his constitutional right to a national audience.<br /><br />Also, "authoritarian liberals", LOL. Sounds like an argument that has never been made with such detail or care.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-27703664311872371212012-04-07T19:00:05.340-05:002012-04-07T19:00:05.340-05:00The armies of Political Correctness have claimed a...The armies of Political Correctness have claimed another victim. The non-authoritarian National Review has tossed out Derbyshire on his ear for speaking that which should be unspoken, only alluded to, or perhaps put into a racist cartoon.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-68749739614786177052012-04-07T17:54:36.177-05:002012-04-07T17:54:36.177-05:00Just one more point. The left and center dismiss p...Just one more point. The left and center dismiss people who do or say harmful things. The NBC guy who screwed up the Zimmerman video. Helen Thomas. It's a matter of conscience.<br />The list goes on. The right seldom does so itself. It takes action from people to get them to do what left-leaning and centrist organizations do on their own.Jim Parretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15331887342292476909noreply@blogger.com