tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post726730663123241399..comments2023-12-20T04:18:41.617-06:00Comments on The Hunting of the Snark: The Children's CrusadeSusan of Texashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-55135147248856731222012-06-05T02:48:10.312-05:002012-06-05T02:48:10.312-05:00aimai...
Oh, crap. I am very sorry.
This is wh...aimai...<br /><br />Oh, crap. I am very sorry. <br /><br />This is when I really hate the Keyboard Kommandos who are always happy to urge someone else to get killed to fulfill their own fantasies.<br /><br />cynicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-90909142688101823332012-05-31T08:44:32.848-05:002012-05-31T08:44:32.848-05:00Aimai and Botacchio, thank you very much.Aimai and Botacchio, thank you very much.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-563231948778631012012-05-31T08:43:47.405-05:002012-05-31T08:43:47.405-05:00Cynic, my father was in the Air Force Reserves and...Cynic, my father was in the Air Force Reserves and was killed in Vietnam. It was a very long time ago but Memorial Day always reminds of what it's like to lose family to war.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-16871662227282578642012-05-30T21:46:16.260-05:002012-05-30T21:46:16.260-05:00What aimai said. Best wishes.What aimai said. Best wishes.Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-67931670740592006122012-05-30T20:21:16.081-05:002012-05-30T20:21:16.081-05:00The medieval conception of history was not an &quo...The medieval conception of history was not an "unfolding story". It was a story of a Fall from an exalted starting point an leading to a definite end.<br /><br />There was a Western innovation of "the future can be better than the present" but Rome sure didn't do it.<br /><br />Shorter me: Douthat's wrong again. Quelle surprise!Lurking Canadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-12596633005521484752012-05-30T15:46:19.738-05:002012-05-30T15:46:19.738-05:00to aimai: to some of us newbies here..., what was...to aimai: to some of us newbies here..., what was that reference to Vietnam and Susan all about?<br /><br />CynicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-58690854189480561502012-05-30T13:21:17.774-05:002012-05-30T13:21:17.774-05:00I'm so sorry, Susan. I know the 50th "ann...I'm so sorry, Susan. I know the 50th "anniversary" stuff for the Vietnam war must be incredibly painful for you. I was thinking about you this memorial day weekend. <br /><br />aimaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-7215642573441694812012-05-30T12:29:16.242-05:002012-05-30T12:29:16.242-05:00Unsurprisingly, the libertarian "defenses&quo...<i>Unsurprisingly, the libertarian "defenses" just make things worse.</i><br /><br />It really is weird. What confuses me is why they aren't standing on streetcorners with a bullhorn and handing out literature.Substance McGravitashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04118764163822188800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-42052908914322453372012-05-30T03:07:53.994-05:002012-05-30T03:07:53.994-05:00Ok I tried not to but Imma go crazy if I don't...Ok I tried not to but Imma go crazy if I don't Fisk that first paragraph Susan quoted of Douthat.<br /><br />"No ideal of universal human rights without Jesus’ radical upending of social hierarchies (including his death alongside common criminals on the cross)."<br /><br />So is the part where Christianity produced one of the most dominant and longest lasting social hierarchies in the history of mankind, only to be undone by an explicit rejection of Christian views on the nature of man, just part of the process, here? Because from where I'm sitting you're Judas going "Nonono, it was all part of the plan, it had to be done, see . . ."<br /><br />"No separation of church and state without the gospels’ “render unto Caesar” and St. Augustine’s two cities."<br /><br />Again. Millennia after the first quote and hundreds of years after the second existed the most powerful institution to ever fuse secular and religious authority and which was only dismantled by hundreds of years of effort attacking everything Christianity stood for. <br /><br />"No liberal confidence about the march of historical progress without the Judeo-Christian interpretation of history as an unfolding story rather than an endlessly repeating wheel"<br /><br />By Zeus' beard, I think he's right! When we all meet in Valhalla I shall buy him a tankard of mead. One who melds such wisdom with such youth must surely have the Eye of Anubis. Who needs the infinite wisdom of Ganesha when we have our own Quetzalcoatl right here, writing for the Times! He's even got the sparse feathery facial adornments!Both Sides Do Ithttp://lookatthisfuckingcentrist.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-91435924743698936802012-05-30T00:24:00.618-05:002012-05-30T00:24:00.618-05:00Yup, that's the one I was referring to! Unsur...Yup, that's the one I was referring to! Unsurprisingly, the libertarian "defenses" just make things <i>worse</i>. CT has a fine commentariat...Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-91489471269260692142012-05-29T22:28:07.913-05:002012-05-29T22:28:07.913-05:00Just for you, yet another thread full of appalling...Just for you, <a href="crookedtimber.org/2012/05/29/fuck-me-or-youre-fired/" title="∈҉∋" rel="nofollow">yet another thread full of appalling libertarians.</a>Substance McGravitashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04118764163822188800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-69996752981143003682012-05-29T21:08:34.317-05:002012-05-29T21:08:34.317-05:00Good points, Susan. I keep coming back to this is...Good points, Susan. I keep coming back to this issue as "religious narcissism." To paraphrase what I wrote elsewhere recently, it's where Ross Douthat (like Bill Donohue, Kathryn Jean Lopez, and Elizabeth Scalia "the Anchoress") believes that everyone at heart is truly a socially conservative Catholic well aware of their sins against the will of Douthat/Donohue/Lopez/Scalia. Considering that several Protestant denominations (or at least congregations) make a point of going over the history of the Reformation and the corruption of the Catholic Church, I find this rather amusing. As I written elsewhere, I have no problem with Douthat or others thinking his faith tradition is the bestest around, but I do object to him being so clueless as not to not know the substance of others' beliefs and not to understand that others would not agree with him. But then, true zealots and conservative reactionaries don't much care what the peons and heretics think, do they? <br /><br />I might have to post on that Douthat conversation later, but I'll look forward to your post on it, should you choose to pen one (since you're halfway there already). Meanwhile, Crooked Timber also had a good recent one on libertarianism and sexual harassment. (They have some great threads.)Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-84171690330925182552012-05-29T18:30:59.395-05:002012-05-29T18:30:59.395-05:00As usual, your intensely moral posts leave me shuf...As usual, your intensely moral posts leave me shuffling feet and muttering "Well, yes"<br /><br />So I flee back to the familiar Land of Dumb.<br /><br />After Dr. Manhattans lobbying - tell me if you doubt that he paid for the space - http://downpuppy.blogspot.com/2012/05/yes-i-am-genocidal-maniac.html - Megan has brought in a boring law professor to bore us on environmental law. <br /><br />There won't be much left by the time she gets back.Downpuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312490198813632190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-66779609645884788592012-05-29T13:16:19.778-05:002012-05-29T13:16:19.778-05:00It really is astonishing how our pundits are just ...It really is astonishing how our pundits are just <i>wrong</i> all the time but it doesn't matter. As long as they have at least three quotes (usually from Burke, Orwell and Aquinas) and use polysyllabic words they can say any stupid thing they want.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-68030780722163169852012-05-29T13:07:11.909-05:002012-05-29T13:07:11.909-05:00That's an interesting conversation; thanks for...That's an interesting conversation; thanks for the link. To make his argument Douthat has to ignore the Old Testament. If God is the embodiment, so to speak, of morality, then what about all those deaths he committed or had others commit? <br /><br />"Indeed, it’s completely obvious that absent the Christian faith, there would be no liberalism at all. No ideal of universal human rights without Jesus’ radical upending of social hierarchies (including his death alongside common criminals on the cross). No separation of church and state without the gospels’ “render unto Caesar” and St. Augustine’s two cities. No liberal confidence about the march of historical progress without the Judeo-Christian interpretation of history as an unfolding story rather than an endlessly repeating wheel."<br /><br />Oh for Christ's sake. That's just ignorant and nonsensical.<br /><br />"And what’s more, to me, contemporary liberals’ obsession with the supposed backwardness of Christian sexual ethics—an obsession that far outstrips sex’s actual role in the preaching and practice of Christian faith—reflects a subconscious liberal knowledge that Christianity is their theological mother, and they’re its half-rebellious child."<br /><br />Catholicism claims that sex between men and women exists purely so they can be a vessel for God's life-giving force. The church defines sexual identity. The church uses sexual politics for control. Nobody is more obsessed with sex than the catholic church. <br /><br />"You can see in it the child’s characteristic desire to finally overthrow the last bastion of parental authority, joined to a continued desire for the parent’s approval for their choices and beliefs."<br /><br />He'll always see a childish dependence on obedience to authority as a good thing.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-88152223168890282512012-05-29T02:32:55.943-05:002012-05-29T02:32:55.943-05:00Silly! The conservative commitment to life ends a...Silly! The conservative commitment to life ends at birth. Social control is more important than life! And they're not "war orphans," they're "freedom orphans," as long as they look great in Republican ads. <br /><br />(Thanks for the stats.) <br /><br />Meanwhile, in a shocking development, <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2012/05/28/euthyphro-problems-and-bad-religion-or-the-imaginary-invalidity/" rel="nofollow">Ross Douthat remains an authoritarian</a>.Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.com