tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post691612057477954120..comments2023-12-20T04:18:41.617-06:00Comments on The Hunting of the Snark: For Their Own GoodSusan of Texashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-78609635923674687532011-12-14T09:35:10.989-06:002011-12-14T09:35:10.989-06:00Brian B: "
One thing I haven't seen anyo...Brian B: "<br />One thing I haven't seen anyone mention: The reaction to the last depression was to limit child labor so more adults could work. Gingrinch's reaction to this depression is to do exactly the opposite. This will help ... how? "<br /><br />Well, the obvious effect would be to throw some more adults out of work, and to help lower adults' pay. Which for the right is a feature, not a bug.Barry DeCiccohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735814736387033844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-34484115846110403422011-12-12T09:48:55.572-06:002011-12-12T09:48:55.572-06:00But what if these punks try to unionize? Obviously...But what if these punks try to unionize? Obviously they're too young to vote.Roger Aileshttp://rogerailes.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-68239606054671819792011-12-12T09:15:19.321-06:002011-12-12T09:15:19.321-06:00Hi, Susan. Great post. I did one a little while ba...Hi, Susan. Great post. I did one a little while back, using photos from the same source: http://doves2day.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-hard-knock-life.html<br /><br />The photo of the boy sleeping on the steps - he's a newsboy (seller of newspapers) and one of my commenters went off about how being newsboy was a great and noble job for young boys, and how could I possibly include that as an example of bad child labor? I did some research about newsboys - maybe in the 1960s it was all wholesome and great for newsboys to ride their bikes up Main Street and deliver papers, but in the 1890s and 1900s, newsboys lead a terrible life. Often kids as young as five worked late into the night selling newspapers.<br /><br />Gingrich hasn't set foot in a poor neighborhood since he left the trailer park for high school. Most poor people I know work two or more jobs - they certainly have a work ethic that's about showing up to work on time.Glennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03681336164718681936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-56194117977035589602011-12-12T02:01:37.154-06:002011-12-12T02:01:37.154-06:00Came here from alicublog; good post.
One thing I ...Came here from alicublog; good post.<br /><br />One thing I haven't seen anyone mention: The reaction to the last depression was to limit child labor so more adults could work. Gingrinch's reaction to <i>this</i> depression is to do exactly the opposite. This will help ... how?Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00498609204322296177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-90314358868825786492011-12-06T22:31:46.692-06:002011-12-06T22:31:46.692-06:00And just where does Newt propose public schools ge...And just where does Newt propose public schools get the money to pay these kids? He certainly doesn't want anyone's taxes raised, no sir.<br /><br />Also: a shocking number of schools have closed their libraries, or at least eliminated the librarian and any operating funds, due to budget cuts. There's no librarian to be an assistant to.zuzunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-87530170686066319662011-12-06T20:51:10.514-06:002011-12-06T20:51:10.514-06:00Placeism- Know your Place.
Gingrich learned earl...Placeism- Know your Place. <br /><br />Gingrich learned early on that certain classes of people don't deserve anything other than at most menial (slave) labor. Recall Newt’s dissertation topic was titled “Belgian Education Policy in the Congo: 1945-1960.” written while cowardly Newt was busy not serving in Vietnam.<br /><br />Remember the "Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior" he ascribed to President Obama?<br /><br />It's clear what Newt thinks about "Certain" people...Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-53862685000130395102011-12-06T19:59:25.224-06:002011-12-06T19:59:25.224-06:00OTOH, this is good news for John McCain!OTOH, this is good news for John McCain!cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438583188725326668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-38461987197596531422011-12-06T18:16:03.783-06:002011-12-06T18:16:03.783-06:00I accept Gingerich's premise: we should pay pe...I accept Gingerich's premise: we should pay people so they learn the value of work and showing up on time. So, obviously, children should be paid for going to school and their parents should be paid for helping them get ready. Children who are well fed and dressed appropriately and who never miss class (and are also not sent to school sick) should be paid a daily stipend to be split between the child and the parent since both contribute to a healthy home attitude towards learning.<br /><br />Under my plan children who progress well through all eight grades with good attendance should have "earned" a good nest egg to help them pay for school books and necessities at the highschool and college level. <br /><br />Children whose parents can't get it together to help them get to school would still receive the stipend but it would go into a savings account in the child's name and they would be given extra help from school counselors and nurses who would be assigned to supervise them when the parents failed to do so.<br /><br />Of course, it would take a lot more money to do this and pay the kids for attending school. But I plan to tax Newt Gingerich to get enough money to make this work.<br /><br />aimaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-25321941481721435002011-12-06T16:48:26.797-06:002011-12-06T16:48:26.797-06:00Newt Gingrinch is vile. How on earth could such a ...Newt Gingrinch is <i>vile</i>. How on earth could such a ghastly human being ever be considered for any office, let alone a "frontrunner" or POTUS?<br /><br />A huge portion of this country is vile, sick, beyond redemption.<br /><br />If only Newt and his admirers would come down with a particularly vicious and painful form of leprosy. <br /><br />I'd actually be GLAD. I might even wonder if there is a God.<br /><br />Newt & Conservatives: "Pro Life" and "Pro childhood drudgery"Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03176801494652946278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-61127580410721232762011-12-06T15:41:36.305-06:002011-12-06T15:41:36.305-06:00- Are there no prisons?
-Plenty of prisons
-And t...- Are there no prisons?<br />-Plenty of prisons<br /><br />-And the workhouses? They are still in operation?<br />-They are. I wish I could say they were not.<br /><br />-The Treadmill? The Poorhouse? Still in full vigour?<br />-All very busy, sir.<br /><br />From the campaign literature of Sir Newton Gingrich, Bart. standing for Parliament from the Riding of Poorstompinborough, Essex, 1885.<br /><br />With apologies to Mr. Dickens.Lurking Canadiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-76699734265892290042011-12-06T14:34:06.159-06:002011-12-06T14:34:06.159-06:00I was unfamiliar with that photographer until now....I was unfamiliar with that photographer until now. Powerful stuff. The shot of the child sleeping on the steps hit me in the gut. For some reason, it's a more powerful image than other, maybe more cliched, images of suffering.<br /><br />Maybe it's because people (parents, teachers, etc) often forget the importance of sleep and how children need so much more of it than adults.atatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-30876551865383089572011-12-06T13:55:13.785-06:002011-12-06T13:55:13.785-06:00Even though I feel dirty even partially agreeing w...Even though I feel dirty even partially agreeing with Gingrich's suggestion (gosh, and the way he arrives to the conclusion, and his assumption. ugh. disgusting)...<br /><br />I think encouraging at risk children to spend more time around positive adult role models would be a good thing, and that encouragement took the form of paid "assistantships" or apprenticeships, I don't think that would be bad. <br /><br />Now I need to go take a shower.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-55291895983935401102011-12-06T13:47:04.400-06:002011-12-06T13:47:04.400-06:00Well, Kia--- I cannot say that ( share your feelin...Well, Kia--- I cannot say that ( share your feelings about "dog work". Many of those jobs that Newt speaks of are necessary and important. The work is more useful than any "work" Newt has ever performed. They deserve to be paid accordingly. The jobs aren't going anywhere-- and god forbid, let us hope they don't go to children. Let me remind Mr. Gingrich of this very simple fact that seems to have escaped his mind. Children do have a job and somewhere to go every weekday. It is called school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-17482436442715878702011-12-06T13:42:05.943-06:002011-12-06T13:42:05.943-06:00Heaven forbid those poors get uppity and aspire to...Heaven forbid those poors get uppity and aspire to rise above their station of birth. Better to condition them young to accept the life of a working drone. Who else is going to iron Newt's shirts and park his cars at fancy restaurants?<br /><br />You know, for the party that arrogantly believes it is the sole definer of what is patriotic and American, the attitude that children shouldn't dream to achieve more than their parents and educate themselves to pull out of poverty strikes me as disgustingly UNAmerican.Clever Pseudonymnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-84997155724524984072011-12-06T13:09:25.385-06:002011-12-06T13:09:25.385-06:00What strikes me too is that Gingrich's notion ...What strikes me too is that Gingrich's notion of work is mindless work. It takes stamina and discipline to be an artist, but you learn those through doing the art if you love it, and then you create things that you love and that other people love, and make the world richer in interesting experiences. But Gingrich is not interested in cultivating these fruits of education. "Children should do dog work for free so they will learn to do dog work as adults." This is the great idea guy's great idea, this is his vision of what humans are for. I mean, quite apart from the unnatural cruelty and callousness of this proposal is just the stunted mean quality of the imagination. What a despicable blowhard.Kiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07652157502257079776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-57870149026821660932011-12-06T12:29:49.923-06:002011-12-06T12:29:49.923-06:00Excellent use of photos to drive home the baseness...Excellent use of photos to drive home the baseness of Gingrich's inhuman cant.Anatole Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475202797984385346noreply@blogger.com