tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post7408296142560872273..comments2023-12-20T04:18:41.617-06:00Comments on The Hunting of the Snark: The Tyrannay Of Cliches: A Closer LookSusan of Texashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-41357373557941642662012-05-14T18:32:19.182-05:002012-05-14T18:32:19.182-05:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathoshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BathosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-7745163640685567322012-05-13T12:10:24.562-05:002012-05-13T12:10:24.562-05:00but he really does seem to assume that no one can ...<i>but he really does seem to assume that no one can read or research anything and prove his obvious errors wrong. </i><br /><br />Zombie R.M. quoted the same extract, but my angle is this: Goldberg is simply doing at book-length what he and his fellow winger "intellectuals" do in every blog, op-ed column, and letter to the editor: falsifying history for purposes of political propaganda and substituting "interpretation" for matters of settled fact.<br /><br />To Jonah--the one-lobed man in the kingdom of the lobotomized--what matters is not what is true, but what "you can say." The Earth really, in fact, does revolve around the sun. But people who believed otherwise weren't really ignorant or in thrall to institutional doctrine, because it sure looks like the sun moves. So cut them some slack. "You can say" that they objected to the bad science of the new theory.<br /><br />You can say these things because you want to say them, and your readers are too stupid to challenge them, and your editors and publishers too shameless and dishonest to care.<br /><br />Of course, to you and me, the idea of the medieval Catholic church having rigorous and defensible standards for "good science" is blithering idiocy and unworthy of a tenth-grader. <br /><br />But Jonah is in the business of writing advertising. The real hilarity comes when he gets pissy or wounded at not being taken seriously by intelligent grownups.Mr.Wonderfulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-15557907802636879552012-05-12T14:19:06.647-05:002012-05-12T14:19:06.647-05:00, but he really does seem to assume that no one ca...<i>, but he really does seem to assume that no one can read or research anything and prove his obvious errors wrong<br /></i><br />Actually, I think it's that he has found that it doesn't matter, he still has a book contract and the checks clear; as long as the liberals are laughing at him, he can present it to the paste eaters as "I must be doing something right if it pisses off the liberals" Also, 'proof' sticks of book-larnin', and being edumacated is now a bad thing.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-26426568690757641842012-05-12T13:17:28.733-05:002012-05-12T13:17:28.733-05:00That's the great thing about the Catholic Chur...That's the great thing about the Catholic Church. It can admit that it's wrong, as it did with Galileo, almost 400 years later. Those child rape victims just need to be patient.<br /><br />What I've read in the past is that Galileo was shown the instruments of torture, an implied threat, but there may have direct threats as well, and certainly imprisonment would have been uncomfortable. Regardless, the basic narrative is hardly in doubt. <br /><br />I suppose it's not surprising that Jonah would make such a blatantly counterfactual argument after <i>Liberal Fascism</i>, but he really does seem to assume that no one can read or research anything and prove his obvious errors wrong. The alternatives (not mutually exclusive) is that he's really dumb and honestly believes this crap (or has convinced himself of it) and that he knows his core audience <br /><br />Thanks for posting the actual condemnation. This is just like the time Goldberg confessed he hadn't read Mussolini's piece defining fascism in several years (he probably never had) before writing a book purportedly about fascism. Next up, he'll write a scholarly analysis of the Old Testament cribbed from repeated viewings of <i>The Ten Commandments</i>. (Or more likely, VeggieTales.)Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-6756485211753789382012-05-11T17:05:32.796-05:002012-05-11T17:05:32.796-05:00Goldberg was complaining that people were not addr...Goldberg was complaining that people were not addressing his actual arguments so I thought I'd look at the bits posted on the web and give my opinion. I'm very helpful.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-70928540549480697442012-05-11T16:40:04.311-05:002012-05-11T16:40:04.311-05:00I am grateful that you think about this so I don&#...I am grateful that you think about this so I don't have to, and that you share it so I know I don't have to think about it, at least not in any original sense. Further, I marvel that you avoid letting this sap you of the will to live.Landruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11954074164878242561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-65082615908821194162012-05-11T15:56:56.902-05:002012-05-11T15:56:56.902-05:00The proposition that the Sun is the center of the ...<i>The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture.<br /></i><br /><br />That's pretty the same argument they are using today against homosexuality. In fact, change the subject to anything they oppose, and it could have been written yesterday. The Church certainly are traditionalists.zombie rotten mcdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601960953323752278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-61874053709967275672012-05-11T15:56:40.236-05:002012-05-11T15:56:40.236-05:00Say what you will about The Tyranny of Cliches -- ...Say what you will about The Tyranny of Cliches -- at least it's shorter than Atlas Shrugged.<br /><br />(It is, right?)Quicksandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-44547686694168186162012-05-11T15:30:49.845-05:002012-05-11T15:30:49.845-05:00Primary sources are liberal plots.Primary sources are liberal plots.Susan of Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00076915322771385454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2222630007427380394.post-41636079826126464912012-05-11T15:29:12.458-05:002012-05-11T15:29:12.458-05:00If my 6th grader used sourcing like Jonah's on...If my 6th grader used sourcing like Jonah's on a research project, well...<br /><br />Actually, I can't imagine her going that low. Wiki is only allowed as a gateway to sources, and David Brooks? Sweet rubber Jesus on a pencil kick me through the goalposts of life!Downpuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312490198813632190noreply@blogger.com