In the early 1970s, when I was studying economics in graduate school in England, the ruinous Great Depression was nearly 40 years in the past. One big focus of attention in our courses was how it could have happened. That is, what combination of moneyed interests, conventionally minded "thought leaders" in politics and the media, and destructive adherence to shibboleths like the Gold Standard and the moral evils of deficit spending allowed leaders in France, England, and America to turn a problem into a disaster. It was in exasperation at the needlessness of it all -- the folly of contractionary government policies even as businesses were failing because of too little demand -- that John Maynard Keynes had written The General Theory. Liaquat Ahamed recently re-told that story in his justly celebrated Lords of Finance. (For how the Chinese have absorbed this history in responding to the post-2008 slowdown, see this account.)
Those days of the 1970s are now nearly 40 years in the past. And this morning's jobs report makes me wonder whether, as a political system, we ever learn anything. Even this basic thing: That when tens of millions of people cannot find work because of an overall "failure of demand" -- not enough paychecks going to not enough people who can not make enough payments to create jobs for enough other people -- the main problem facing the nation is not "runaway government spending." Any more than it was when Herbert Hoover tightened up on spending as markets crashed, in the wave of folly that Keynes and Ahamed in their different ways chronicled. A lot has changed since the 1930s, and the 1970s. But not this basic principle.
Mrs. Megan McArdle disagrees.
I'm not quite sure what passages in Keynes and Ahmed [Fallows] is referring to, but the evidence is not ambiguous: Hoover did not tighten up on spending. According to the historical tables of the Office of Management and Budget, spending in 1929 was $3.1 billion, up from $2.9 billion the year before. In 1930 it was $3.3 billion. In 1931, Hoover raised spending to $3.6 billion. And in 1932, he opened the taps to $4.7 billion, where it basically stayed into 1933 (most of which was a Hoover budget). As a percentage of GDP, spending rose from 3.4% in 1930 to 8% in 1933--an increase larger than the increase under FDR, though of course thankfully under FDR, the denominator (GDP) had stopped shrinking.
This spending represented a substantial increase over the Coolidge years (outlays had been steady between $2.85 billion and $2.95 billion since 1924). And in real terms they represented a very substantial increase, since both nominal and real GDP were falling.
Hoover did raise taxes on high earners quite a bit in 1932, and perhaps this is what my colleague is thinking of--though as this did not produce any immediately noticeable increase in tax revenue, it's hard to say how much of a fiscal contraction this actually represented. (Even if it were, outside of the odd Cato paper, Hoover's name is never invoked to warn against the mortal dangers of what he actually did: raised taxes on rich people in the middle of a recession.)
Commenters helpfully add some facts to McArdle's assessment but they are only a few out of dozens who discuss in loving detail how they (and McArdle) are right and all the liberal professors and liberal writers and liberal history books and liberal facts are wrong.
Brad DeLong has a response.
So what is going on here?
I think that Megan McArdle's major problem is that she is looking at one table--Table 1.1 in OMB's Historical Tables. She is not reading Hoover's Budget Messages or any other documents from the Hoover administration, not reading histories of the Hoover administration, not identifying how what congress finally enacted and what Hoover signed differed from what Hoover had originally proposed--or indeed, at how as the Great Depression deepened Hoover decided at the very start of calendar year 1932--halfway through fiscal year 1932--to push for measures (Reconstruction Finance Corporation, Home Loan Bank, direct loans to fund state Depression relief programs) that increased spending--but did so alongside the Revenue Act of 1932 that increased taxes.
After he decided that he was President and that the Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon whom he had inherited from Coolidge worked for him and that Mellon should go off to be Ambassador to the Court of St. James, Hoover did decide to do something to fight the Great Depression. Tax increases to try to balance the budget in order to call down the confidence fairy made up the biggest part of his plan. But Hoover also sought to fund state relief. And he sought to set up GSE's (RTC, HLB) to restart broken capital markets.
But to say that "Hoover was no budget-cutter" misses most of the story. Hoover would have been a budget-cutter in normal times. Hoover was a budget-balancer. Hoover held the line against powerful political forces that sought to increase government spending in the Great Depression for fully 2 1/2 years before endorsing what seem to us to be half-measures.
Selective editing is one of McArdle's specialties; she can't acknowledge context because she argues by cherry-picking evidence and ignoring any contravening facts.
We wonder which side will win--the truth or the lies, when the history books are written. Either way, the results of the lies can't be hidden and one day the sheer magnitude of the destruction the lies have created will be too enormous for further denial.
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It's not just McArdle, she's parroting the spin of smarter (and more cynical) Chicago School types.
Of course she's doing a bad job of it, as well. She's too lazy even to form a well-constructed lie.
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Thank goodness!
That the New Deal made the Great Depression worse and that things were going to repair themselves has been chapter and verse to right wing economists at least since 1990, which is when I got into it with my sister's then-boyfriend, the right wing economics student, at the dinner table.
As a result, I'm never surprised to encounter the Chicago interpretation of the 30s, though I remain unconvinced by it. I think my conviction is strictly economic in nature, but I suppose it's possible that it's partly because that guy was a douchenozzle who broke my sister's heart.
...Hoover did raise taxes on high earners quite a bit in 1932...though as this did not produce any immediately noticeable increase in tax revenue...
This claim makes no sense. Taxes were raised but did not increase revenue? Does ArgleBargle have a link for that claim?
I hate going to her site- giving the Atlantic even one look. And I worry that some of the drivel might rub off on me. I'm sure it stains clothing.
... and my dress cost £300.00, and that's in British Regency Dollars which means its worth about $10,000,000 in Today's US Money.
There are a few separate, although interrelated problems with Fallows's account. One, if we are going to do full-bore fiscal expansion, we are nowhere close. We aren't even in the ballpark. People talk about a new New Deal, but the original New Deal was actually too small. It was not until the massive wartime economic expansion that the Depression was fully corrected.
For the U.S., the amount of debt issuance that would be necessary for a theoretically sufficient fiscal expansion can be fairly risky down the road (even right now, despite the massive flight to safety, the U.S. dollar is not picking up as it should, and once the flight to safety ends this can become a nightmare), and can potentially structurally destabilizing problems in the international monetary system. The implied solution is stealth default, i.e. inflation, which would lower the debt overhang in real terms. But inflation is monetarily relative, so that an inevitable effect of this, serious and meaningful USD devaluation, would be quite fearsome. Also, while USD devaluation would import the US/Japan trade balance, it would cause serious problems for the Europeans.
Unfortunately, the Europeans are in a much more precarious position than the U.S. In the short term, more U.S. debt issuance and fiscal expansion would improve the credit situation of European debtor states by reducing the flight to safety, but in even the medium term the excess money in the system would be a mess to clean up.
I suspect that Geithner, insofar as he's considering this problem in global macro terms, also is trying not to act in a way that would risk the short-term position of European exports, as that could be seriously destabilizing for Europe. While the U.S. economy can take a bit more drumming, the European one is close to the breaking point, and even if one disagrees on the specific policy, it would be advisable to wait until the Europeans work out a paradigm for the various sovereign crises sweeping across Europe, so everyone in the industrialized world is ready for the big push, if there is one. Which means, at least to some extent, tentatively holding the line on dollar devaluation, debt issuance, and fiscal expansions.
Myles, we are not a random topic generator. We are not here to admire your skill set. Your responses have little or nothing to do with the topic at hand. You appear to be simply using this blog as a place to air your economic opinions, something that is utterly unnecessarily in this wide world we call the web.
Start your own blog, Myles. Then you can say whatever you want and gather like-minded people around you for stimulating conversations.
Start your own blog, Myles.
Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly and trolls gotta troll, Susan. Trolls gotta troll.
If you take Myles trolling away from him what does he have left? He's shown himself to be a miserable excuse for a human being. If he can't post multi-paragraph manifestos that no one is going to read in your comments section, what joy will he have left in his life?
Myles Suderman is just aping McMegtard's commentariat. He transparently pivots each discussion away from the errors of his mistress. This sort of trolling probably irks him when its done at the Atlantic but here he seems to believe he is changing hearts and minds. No Myles. No.
that guy was a douchenozzle who broke my sister's heart.
Or did her a favor by removing himself from her life.
The point of Myles's presence here is to defend McArdle's honor, so I don't see how that's off-topic (particularly as it furnishes a window into the unrequited yearnings of half of McArdle's commenters).
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